I’m Canadian and have totally lost faith in the US to do the right thing. I may never travel there again, not to mention buy American goods. We need to be ready for any and everything. The US may never be trusted again around the world. This trust is broken.
I believe Canada’s greatest weapon at this time is weathering the tariffs and imposing tariffs on the US.
Developing strong relationships with other countries for global trade will also provide lasting benefits and will nullify the threat Trump is trying to impose.
Also, disrupting exports into the US and the impact on the American people will allow the American people to participate in Canada’s struggle by being loud and furious on this side of the border. I believe that Trump - for the time -being still recognizes the people’s discontent.
I personally would hate to see our countries at war!!! I also believe that preparing for the worse case scenario is always a good idea.
I do think there will be some form of invasion. It may be a commando group dropping into Ottawa and seizing Parliament or it may be a more overwhelming move involving many military targeting preselected locations. I am stunned that many Canadians are dismissive of the concept. Another group in 1939 naively believed it wouldn't happen. To trust this animal who's now the President of the United States, formerly a country that was believed to be our friend, that friendly trusting relationship ended January 20th when Trump insincerely swore to uphold their Constitution. We are now nearing being enemies. All because of 1 man who deserves a shortened life.
Left unsaid is the true elephant in the room: should Canada develop a nuclear deterrent? It wouldn't be difficult, and while it's depressing that we live in a world where such a recourse would be necessary, history has shown that it's a remarkably effective one.
A bit late now unfortunately. If we started now it would take years to develop nuc weapons capability and cost a fortune. Also if we got close finishing the US would destroy it. They would not allow that near their borders
It goes without saying that it would be developed in total secrecy, and the idea is that this capability wouldn't actually be directed against the United States (although that would be a indirect function) but rather as a means of asserting sovereignty in the arctic.
I hear you! However total secrecy would be difficult to do. Ask Iran. Canada cannot even enrich its own uranium. It’s controlled by the Club of current nuclear powers. I do believe however, that Canada can “relatively” quickly gear up to flight an asymmetric war against the U.S. this would mean investing heavily in drones, man-portable anti-air anti armour weapons etc. The CAF would practice by conducting exercises at the border - in the name of shutting down illegal drugs etc. However even more important that all that is to build up capacity to counter US and other states disinformation. This is crucial! As a) we need to stay united and b) US citizens can’t be only exposed to fake news from the White House. Allowing Trump to rally support for an invasion. To add, the goal of these actions is to deter the US from invading.
A dirty bomb could be built in a week, a small nuke would probably take 18 months. As to not being permitted to enrich uranium, no country was ever given permission to develop nukes, yet countries with far fewer resources and scientific expertise acquired them nonetheless. To be clear, to the extent that this course of action would even be worth pursuing, I don't necessarily view it as a solution to present problems - I still doubt that relations will sink to the level where military conflict becomes a serious possibility - but rather as a long-term statement of Canadian intentions to remain independent.
Like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic that the present storm can be weathered without military escalation. But the lessons of this moment should be needed, and a nuclear deterrent - probably an SLBM - would be a wise long term investment if Canada is serious about preserving its sovereignty. I'm not saying it's an imperative - there could be other ways of achieving the same ends - but the coming Arctic struggle will be fought on much more equal terms if Russia and China are contending with a fellow nuclear power.
Canada is already prepared. If you go to Quebec City, a hilltop is referred to as the 'Champs de Mars" -- the field of battle. Several canons are pointed in the direction of the USA . They are there to commemorate earlier struggles in which Americans tried to snatch a bit of Canadian territory. Travel through New Brunswick and the Canadian Atlantic coastline and many of the villages still remember American raiding parties from the American Revolution. Once the former colonies had successfully declared independence from Britain, loyalists, who wished to remain English, sought refuge in Canada. Their view of the American War for Independence can be quite different from ours. Of course, Trump wouldn't know that. He was no doubt sleeping when American history was taught, if he even bothered going to school.
Why does everybody assume Canada would enter the US as just one state?
At more than 40 million people, it could easily become five states. Perhaps one of these might become Republican, but the net gain of Senate seats would push Democrats over the threshold to become the majority party -- putting an end to the current nonsense.
Extra benefit: a more hard-headed if phlegmatic approach to the business of governing would also help Democrats put an end to their own internal nonsense.
If Canada is taken over by a victorious USA, why would one assume we would be given state(s) status by republicans? That would be naive! More likely a non-voting territory
Canadian Trump Supporters: You Are a Threat to This Country
This is a post from Liz Cheney. I wish I had written it b,ut I didn't. I'm not sure I could have said it better.
It frames the danger and real threat that Canadians who support Trump's takeover of Canada as the 51st State.
It's more than a Precautionary Take. It's a Dire Warning
“There’s no sugarcoating it anymore. If you support Donald Trump—especially as a Canadian—you are a direct threat to this country. Not just an embarrassment, not just misinformed, but a genuine threat to Canada’s democracy, stability, and future.
This isn’t a debate about left vs. right. It’s about whether you stand with democracy or with a wannabe dictator who is dismantling it in real-time
Trump Is a Danger to Canada—And So Are You
Let’s be clear about what Donald Trump means for Canada:
• Trade & Economy: Trump has already proven he’s willing to rip up trade deals, slap tariffs on Canadian goods, and treat this country like an economic punching bag. His second term will be worse. He wants to exploit Canada, not work with us.
• Right-Wing Extremism: Trump emboldens the most dangerous, radical elements of society—white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, and violent extremists. We saw it with the Freedom Convoy, which had direct ties to American far-right groups. Supporting Trump means welcoming that extremism into Canada.
• Attack on Sovereignty: Trump has openly treated Canada as weak and disposable. If given the chance, he would force our government into submission, demand loyalty to his agenda, and strip us of our independence.
So when a Canadian proudly declares they support Trump over any Canadian leader, what they’re really saying is:
✔️ They would rather see this country controlled by a foreign dictator than governed by Canadians.
✔️ They support the rise of authoritarianism over the principles of democracy.
✔️ They would rather burn this country to the ground than see a government they don’t like in power.
That’s not patriotism. That’s treasonous thinking.
Double the Threat: Canadian Trump Supporters Are Worse Than American Ones
It’s bad enough when Americans fall for Trump’s lies. But when Canadians do it? That’s next-level delusion.
At least in the U.S., Trump voters are dealing with their own country’s fate. Canadians who support Trump are betraying their own country’s interests to cheer for an authoritarian who couldn’t care less if Canada collapsed.
These people aren’t “conservatives.” They’re not “free thinkers.” They’re useful idiots for an anti-democratic movement that would destroy Canada without a second thought.
Time to Call It What It Is
We need to stop treating Canadian Trump supporters as just misinformed or misguided. They are actively choosing to support a fascist movement that threatens everything this country stands for.
They are a risk to our democracy. They are a risk to our sovereignty. They are a risk to our safety.
And we will call them out at every turn. Because when democracy is at stake, silence is not an option.
What Greenland is doing , should also be done in Canada. Canada is being threatened . THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND HIS ADMINISTRATION are enforcing Tariffs Threatening Canadas Economic Sovereignty and is against USMC Trade Agreements. The United States President and Administration is threatening ANNEXATION OF CANADA. Which is a Threat to Canadas Sovereignty and NATIONAL SECURITY. The President of the United States and Administration is backing CANADIAN PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY. Promoting separation of Alberta Canada. A threat to CANADIAN SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY.
On second thought, the best approach would be to have special forces seize the Hockey Hall of Fame and take The Cup. They can hold it hostage at my house :-D (that’s probably the best chance The Cup will end up in Boston this year).
I can’t see the US invading Canada. Trump campaigned on keeping the US out of wars. I also can’t believe the generals and other military officers as well as the American public (minus the crazier parts of MAGA) and hopefully the Senate would stand for such a blatant illegal invasion of a sovereign friendly country. I’m a retired senior military officer and I know I wouldn’t follow such an order to invade and potentially kill Canadians trying defend their country and I don’t think I’m alone in that view. There’s still honor, duty and morality in the majority of the officers corp.
As far as tariffs and economic coercion, I’m hoping Canada will stand strong until the American public starts reacting to the increasing cost of trump’s tariffs, he’s overreaching and hopefully the midterm elections will restore sanity to our government.
I’m Canadian and have totally lost faith in the US to do the right thing. I may never travel there again, not to mention buy American goods. We need to be ready for any and everything. The US may never be trusted again around the world. This trust is broken.
I believe Canada’s greatest weapon at this time is weathering the tariffs and imposing tariffs on the US.
Developing strong relationships with other countries for global trade will also provide lasting benefits and will nullify the threat Trump is trying to impose.
Also, disrupting exports into the US and the impact on the American people will allow the American people to participate in Canada’s struggle by being loud and furious on this side of the border. I believe that Trump - for the time -being still recognizes the people’s discontent.
I personally would hate to see our countries at war!!! I also believe that preparing for the worse case scenario is always a good idea.
I do think there will be some form of invasion. It may be a commando group dropping into Ottawa and seizing Parliament or it may be a more overwhelming move involving many military targeting preselected locations. I am stunned that many Canadians are dismissive of the concept. Another group in 1939 naively believed it wouldn't happen. To trust this animal who's now the President of the United States, formerly a country that was believed to be our friend, that friendly trusting relationship ended January 20th when Trump insincerely swore to uphold their Constitution. We are now nearing being enemies. All because of 1 man who deserves a shortened life.
Left unsaid is the true elephant in the room: should Canada develop a nuclear deterrent? It wouldn't be difficult, and while it's depressing that we live in a world where such a recourse would be necessary, history has shown that it's a remarkably effective one.
A bit late now unfortunately. If we started now it would take years to develop nuc weapons capability and cost a fortune. Also if we got close finishing the US would destroy it. They would not allow that near their borders
It goes without saying that it would be developed in total secrecy, and the idea is that this capability wouldn't actually be directed against the United States (although that would be a indirect function) but rather as a means of asserting sovereignty in the arctic.
I hear you! However total secrecy would be difficult to do. Ask Iran. Canada cannot even enrich its own uranium. It’s controlled by the Club of current nuclear powers. I do believe however, that Canada can “relatively” quickly gear up to flight an asymmetric war against the U.S. this would mean investing heavily in drones, man-portable anti-air anti armour weapons etc. The CAF would practice by conducting exercises at the border - in the name of shutting down illegal drugs etc. However even more important that all that is to build up capacity to counter US and other states disinformation. This is crucial! As a) we need to stay united and b) US citizens can’t be only exposed to fake news from the White House. Allowing Trump to rally support for an invasion. To add, the goal of these actions is to deter the US from invading.
A dirty bomb could be built in a week, a small nuke would probably take 18 months. As to not being permitted to enrich uranium, no country was ever given permission to develop nukes, yet countries with far fewer resources and scientific expertise acquired them nonetheless. To be clear, to the extent that this course of action would even be worth pursuing, I don't necessarily view it as a solution to present problems - I still doubt that relations will sink to the level where military conflict becomes a serious possibility - but rather as a long-term statement of Canadian intentions to remain independent.
It’s a bit more complicated than that. But I’ll play along, what would you suggest the end game be?
Like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic that the present storm can be weathered without military escalation. But the lessons of this moment should be needed, and a nuclear deterrent - probably an SLBM - would be a wise long term investment if Canada is serious about preserving its sovereignty. I'm not saying it's an imperative - there could be other ways of achieving the same ends - but the coming Arctic struggle will be fought on much more equal terms if Russia and China are contending with a fellow nuclear power.
Canada is already prepared. If you go to Quebec City, a hilltop is referred to as the 'Champs de Mars" -- the field of battle. Several canons are pointed in the direction of the USA . They are there to commemorate earlier struggles in which Americans tried to snatch a bit of Canadian territory. Travel through New Brunswick and the Canadian Atlantic coastline and many of the villages still remember American raiding parties from the American Revolution. Once the former colonies had successfully declared independence from Britain, loyalists, who wished to remain English, sought refuge in Canada. Their view of the American War for Independence can be quite different from ours. Of course, Trump wouldn't know that. He was no doubt sleeping when American history was taught, if he even bothered going to school.
Yes, we need to prepare, and learn from the Ukrainians.
Yes. We have to be ready for anything because we can’t trust the American government.
Why does everybody assume Canada would enter the US as just one state?
At more than 40 million people, it could easily become five states. Perhaps one of these might become Republican, but the net gain of Senate seats would push Democrats over the threshold to become the majority party -- putting an end to the current nonsense.
Extra benefit: a more hard-headed if phlegmatic approach to the business of governing would also help Democrats put an end to their own internal nonsense.
If Canada is taken over by a victorious USA, why would one assume we would be given state(s) status by republicans? That would be naive! More likely a non-voting territory
You answered your own question.
We stand on guard.
I stand with Canada. Fighting Trump to keep CANADA’S Sovereignty,National Security and Territorial Integrity is a BIGGER PRIORITY then UKRAINE
https://substack.com/@calluramichael491850/note/c-98516938?r=1ii73h&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
Canadian Trump Supporters: You Are a Threat to This Country
This is a post from Liz Cheney. I wish I had written it b,ut I didn't. I'm not sure I could have said it better.
It frames the danger and real threat that Canadians who support Trump's takeover of Canada as the 51st State.
It's more than a Precautionary Take. It's a Dire Warning
“There’s no sugarcoating it anymore. If you support Donald Trump—especially as a Canadian—you are a direct threat to this country. Not just an embarrassment, not just misinformed, but a genuine threat to Canada’s democracy, stability, and future.
This isn’t a debate about left vs. right. It’s about whether you stand with democracy or with a wannabe dictator who is dismantling it in real-time
Trump Is a Danger to Canada—And So Are You
Let’s be clear about what Donald Trump means for Canada:
• Trade & Economy: Trump has already proven he’s willing to rip up trade deals, slap tariffs on Canadian goods, and treat this country like an economic punching bag. His second term will be worse. He wants to exploit Canada, not work with us.
• Right-Wing Extremism: Trump emboldens the most dangerous, radical elements of society—white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, and violent extremists. We saw it with the Freedom Convoy, which had direct ties to American far-right groups. Supporting Trump means welcoming that extremism into Canada.
• Attack on Sovereignty: Trump has openly treated Canada as weak and disposable. If given the chance, he would force our government into submission, demand loyalty to his agenda, and strip us of our independence.
So when a Canadian proudly declares they support Trump over any Canadian leader, what they’re really saying is:
✔️ They would rather see this country controlled by a foreign dictator than governed by Canadians.
✔️ They support the rise of authoritarianism over the principles of democracy.
✔️ They would rather burn this country to the ground than see a government they don’t like in power.
That’s not patriotism. That’s treasonous thinking.
Double the Threat: Canadian Trump Supporters Are Worse Than American Ones
It’s bad enough when Americans fall for Trump’s lies. But when Canadians do it? That’s next-level delusion.
At least in the U.S., Trump voters are dealing with their own country’s fate. Canadians who support Trump are betraying their own country’s interests to cheer for an authoritarian who couldn’t care less if Canada collapsed.
These people aren’t “conservatives.” They’re not “free thinkers.” They’re useful idiots for an anti-democratic movement that would destroy Canada without a second thought.
Time to Call It What It Is
We need to stop treating Canadian Trump supporters as just misinformed or misguided. They are actively choosing to support a fascist movement that threatens everything this country stands for.
They are a risk to our democracy. They are a risk to our sovereignty. They are a risk to our safety.
And we will call them out at every turn. Because when democracy is at stake, silence is not an option.
What Greenland is doing , should also be done in Canada. Canada is being threatened . THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND HIS ADMINISTRATION are enforcing Tariffs Threatening Canadas Economic Sovereignty and is against USMC Trade Agreements. The United States President and Administration is threatening ANNEXATION OF CANADA. Which is a Threat to Canadas Sovereignty and NATIONAL SECURITY. The President of the United States and Administration is backing CANADIAN PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY. Promoting separation of Alberta Canada. A threat to CANADIAN SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY.
https://substack.com/@calluramichael491850/note/c-97854975?r=1ii73h&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
https://substack.com/@calluramichael491850/note/c-97854975?r=1ii73h&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
On second thought, the best approach would be to have special forces seize the Hockey Hall of Fame and take The Cup. They can hold it hostage at my house :-D (that’s probably the best chance The Cup will end up in Boston this year).
Yup
😭😭😭😭😭
Yes!
I can’t see the US invading Canada. Trump campaigned on keeping the US out of wars. I also can’t believe the generals and other military officers as well as the American public (minus the crazier parts of MAGA) and hopefully the Senate would stand for such a blatant illegal invasion of a sovereign friendly country. I’m a retired senior military officer and I know I wouldn’t follow such an order to invade and potentially kill Canadians trying defend their country and I don’t think I’m alone in that view. There’s still honor, duty and morality in the majority of the officers corp.
As far as tariffs and economic coercion, I’m hoping Canada will stand strong until the American public starts reacting to the increasing cost of trump’s tariffs, he’s overreaching and hopefully the midterm elections will restore sanity to our government.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/news/2024/05/government-introduces-legislation-to-counter-foreign-interference.html